Dan Orange peels back the familiar children's story to reveal the profound theological depths of Noah's Ark. Far from just animals marching two-by-two, this ancient narrative chronicles God's grief over creation, His divine "de-creation" and the extraordinary faith of one man who built an ark on dry land. Most powerfully, Dan reveals how Noah's story whispers Jesus' name - while Noah saved a few, Jesus became the ultimate ark, sacrificing Himself so all could be saved. A thought-provoking exploration that challenges us: when the world rushes toward a cliff, will we have faith to walk the other way?
01Time Stamps
00:00:00 - Welcome with Anna and Jan
00:01:12 - Talk: What If The Flood Story Isn't Just About The Rain | Dan Orange
00:15:29 - How The Flood Was Divine De-Creation
00:19:38 - The Rainbow Promise And Why God Won't Flood Again
00:20:37 - Jesus Is The Final Solution To Sin
00:22:30 - Conversation Street: Tough Questions About Noah
00:37:00 - Is God Calling You To Step Out Like Noah?
Finding New Meaning in Noah's Story
We all know the story of Noah's Ark – animals two-by-two, 40 days of rain, and a rainbow promise. But what if there's more to this ancient tale than just water and wooden boats? This Sunday, Dan Orange helped us explore the deeper currents running through one of the Bible's most famous stories.
“When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind.”
-- C S Lewis
02Not Just a Children's Story
Right from the start, Dan challenged us to look beyond the nursery decorations and children's puzzles that have sanitised this profound narrative. This isn't merely a quaint tale about animals on a boat – it's the story of God's heartbreak over creation, his judgment of evil, and his mercy in preserving a faithful remnant.
Interestingly, flood stories appear across dozens of ancient cultures – from Aztec legends to Welsh mythology and Hawaiian traditions. Even the famous Epic of Gilgamesh contains striking parallels. But Genesis has a radically different perspective as it is not about capricious gods annoyed by noisy humans, but a loving Creator grieved by humanity's wickedness.
“God doesn’t need to flood the earth again because he’s provided the answer to sin and to evil. So we were apart from God, but because of his sacrifice, we can become new creations.”
-- Dan Orange
03Standing Against the Current
Perhaps the most challenging aspect of Noah's story is his extraordinary faith. Noah built an enormous ark on dry land – possibly before rain had ever fallen. As C.S. Lewis put it (quoted by Dan): "When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind."
Noah trusted God despite ridicule, despite the seemingly impossible task, despite the long wait. As Dan reminded us, "By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family" (Hebrews 11:7).
04The God Who Remembers
One of the most beautiful moments in the narrative comes in Genesis 8:1 – "God remembered Noah." Not that God had forgotten him, but that God's attention now turned toward Noah for the next act of creation.
Just as God's Spirit hovered over the waters in Genesis 1, now God sent his wind (the same Hebrew word, 'ruach') over the flood waters to bring forth new life. The flood wasn't just destruction – it was divine de-creation followed by re-creation, a cosmic reset.
“I love what you said Dan about the fact that Noah was kind of like that reset for humanity, Noah and his family. And then the next time that phrase sort of comes up... it was Jesus. I love that parallel.”
-- Anna Kettle
05The Final Ark
During Conversation Street, Anna highlighted one of Dan's most powerful insights: while God used Noah to save a small portion of humanity through the ark, He ultimately provided Jesus as the perfect solution. Instead of wiping out all but a few, God sacrificed one so all might be saved.
This parallel transforms how we see both Noah and Jesus. Noah's ark becomes a prefiguring of Christ's redemption – not just a wooden boat but a sign pointing toward God's ultimate rescue plan.
The team also tackled tough questions about God's justice in the flood, how we reconcile divine love with widespread destruction, and whether the entire earth was actually covered. Throughout the discussion, they emphasised God's patience and His ultimate desire for redemption rather than judgment.
A Personal Ark
The conversation turned personal when Anna asked whether God had ever called team members to do something that seemed crazy at the time. Both Dan and Anna shared stories of stepping out in faith with career decisions, while Jan discussed financial leaps of trust. These modern-day "ark moments" remind us that following God still sometimes means swimming against the cultural current.
As Dan put it, Noah's faithfulness challenges us to ask: "When the world is wanting to walk one way, are you, am I, are we prepared to walk the other way, to be like Noah, to walk with God?"
Whether you're facing your own flood of challenges or just curious about what ancient stories might say to modern lives, join us next Sunday as Matt explores the topic of covenant – why God put everything on the line.
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Transcript: (00:00) e hello hello hello good evening welcome to crowd Church uh sorry about that not so (01:14) slick start there bit of a camera malfunction blame it entirely on Matt Edmonson um but anyway welcome to crowd church night everyone it's uh great to be here I'm Anna and I'm joined by Jan who you've just already seen how you doing yeah I'm good thank you great to be here yeah so we've got um we're carrying on our Genesis Series tonight and um we're going to be joined by Dan in a minute who's gonna talk to us about Noah AR I mean Jan what Noah AR right it's probably the one story that pretty much everyone knows in the Bible do you think yeah I think so I'd hope so I feel like (01:56) it's kind of the story that like yeah you just everybody knows even yeah even if they've not really grown up in church so but I'm hoping like Dan will be able to share some new stuff something a bit fresh tonight yeah um yeah so I think we'll pass over to him without more further Ado and um yeah I'm looking at him are you ready done yeah I'm ready yeah passing over then well welcome um yeah I'm hoping that I can and I've been doing a lot of reading and a lot looking at different stuff obviously going through the Bible but (02:36) other stuff about the flood um it's amazing few chapters in The Bible um and I just wonder what people like you mentioned before what people know of the flood whether it's just a story that you heard at school or um you see like jigsa don't your kids kids toys with a jurass sticking at the top um and was it just a kid story was it a metaphor or fable don't do bad stuff otherwise God might just come and wipe you out a warning of a an Angry God I don't think so I think it was much more than this and so yeah I want to look a bit more into this um (03:22) this event and did you know it's not wasn't just written about in the Bible there's loads of mentioned of in early writings about this amazing event um is written in the Quran um it's written in stories written down um passed down in the azex um Native American tribes we got Welsh stories there's an Irish story of a flood where there's only 49 women left and three men and I think perhaps the man might have had something to do with with writing that story and then the man turns into a salmon and then late into an eagle and then into a hawk which um reminded a b bit of Manimal if (04:06) we're thinking about 80s yeah I thought Matt might remember that Manimal yeah there's a Hawaiian story about a flood and a big boat saving a number of people but they attribute attribute it to the moon saving it and they worship the moon um and then there's a very old piece of writing um um which was written down even before Genesis was written down the Epic of Gilgamesh and that records the story of a flood um but here the gods are irritated with all the noises that they they hear of the people and then one God finds out about it and (04:49) passes it on the information to someone who um can have a plan to get out and the floods come um but the gods are scared of the floods and um we've heard in other talks about how Genesis comes and it just turns all those stories on its head we're not talking about God that is scared of his own floods or the world that he created so let's look about of the story that's written in Genesis and it's written in Genesis 6 to9 so three chapters even more than the actual first creation notice I said first creation because a lot happens in these these verses (05:31) um so in the start of chapter six we see that Adam and Eve's family have done what God asked them to do they've multiplied and there were lots of people and there's a few verses that I'm not going to dwell too much on because there's lots of great theologians that have have looked into this and I'd say read it and yeah send in questions um but yeah sons of God taking beautiful wives there was Giants um it was a pretty packed couple of verses um but I just want to say the Bible Our God it's he's Supernatural this is the (06:12) creator we're talking about some things I understand some things I don't understand and I don't think we ever will until we're we're with him until we get to leaves like these fleshly bodies and and we might have a bit more of an incline of this amazingness of God but then in chapter 6 verse 5 we read this it says the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually and the Lord regretted that he'd made man on the earth and it grieved him to his heart so (06:49) the Lord said I will blot out man whom I've created from the face of the land man and animals and creeping things and birds of Heaven for I am sorry that I've made them these are the parts of the Bible that the there are many parts of the Bible that are huge eventful sections and passages and I think this is definitely one of them so we start off with with evil wickedness and a few weeks ago will did a great talk about that so I'm not going to dwell on to that to say that we can see that this wickedness grieved God's heart (07:28) and God was sorry it made man on the earth which just reminds me that God is not a distant unfeeling God we're made in God's image and we have feelings Jesus was and is God's son he he ex he expressed those feelings famously when he heard his friend was Lazarus was dying and his loved ones were crying they didn't know that he was bigger than death he wept God loves us he loves his creation and can you imagine the to turmoil the Heartbreak to see his creation acting against him so much so there was no other answer to start again the pen penalty for this evil was (08:12) death but then it doesn't stop there we've got verse eight it's okay Noah and the Bible says but Noah there's lots of verses in the Bible that start with a but and it's normally it's normally a good but but Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord verse 9 says these are the generations of Noah Noah was a righteous man blameless in his generation Noah walked with God and Noah had three sons Shem ham and japheth but Noah yes so Noah I put big butt in there to remind me but it's it's a it's a but Noah he's the Savior here this man who was righteous he walked with God a man that Peter says in his (08:56) letter later in the New Testament he was a preacher of righteous Ness so he wasn't just righteous in himself he he he preached he he showed this righteousness um and Noah found grace and favor in the eyes of God and it's the first time we come across this mention of Grace in The Bible Noah stood in the Gap and um there's one other that stands in the Gap too and I you probably guess who that is and I'll come back to that so Noah walk with God and the first time we hear about Man Walking with God was when Adam and Eve walked with God but they ran from him because they realized (09:35) that they were they were sinned and they were naked but I like this because it shows that that wasn't the end they could have come back they could have still walked with God he he's still available for walking he's still available for us to walk with him so let's continue we jump to verse 13 God said to Noah I've determined to make an End of All Flesh for the Earth is filled with violence through them behold I will destroy them with the Earth make yourself an ark of gopherwood make rooms in the ark and cover it inside and out with (10:15) pitch so God knew that this world needed to be started need to start again and the people will be destroyed by the Earth go Noah go and prepare an ark and um that's a bit of a a loaded statement isn't it imagine that it's easiest to read that because we've we've heard about it so many times that just go create an arc fill it with animals we'll come to that later this is approximately 6 to 7,000 years ago it's a while creation I like to think creation was fresh um Rolling Hills mountains peoples animals towns there probably wasn't any (10:58) need for huge big boat boats before they probably created boats and fish um but sorry my thing scroll in front of me um but this is a a task and a half and later on the in the letter to the Hebrews the author writes by faith Noah when warned about things not yet seen in holy fear built an ark to save his family so Noah walked with God and he knew that he had he needed this faith and he needed to trust God because he had to say to his wife and his three sons look we're going to build a boat on dry land it's going to take a long time (11:42) a animals are going to live on it and they would have had questions I should imagine and he was probably ridiculed by people around him um and we don't know exactly how long it took to build this boat but it looks like it's about 120 years when when the story is Rewritten in different parts in the Dead Sea Scrolls it's 120 years and when I think about that I think that's a long time isn't it to trust in God for something that you can't see it might not have even rained before that we don't don't know the Earth potentially was a a different place that God said a Mist came up and (12:20) and watered the Earth it might have rained we don't know but even so you got 120 years you're building a boat on dry land um and I thought this little um saying from CS Lewis was very apt and it's this it says when the whole world is running towards a cliff he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind I should imagine Noah thought you know he stood on this that this is what God's told me to do um the second point about that time period it's a long time for people to ask questions sometimes I think we can (13:01) think God is quick to anger and his consequences of sin especially in the Old Testament are really harsh if you're not on God's side and you're not the one God's speaking to but throughout scripture God speaks to so many people outside of his his like chosen people as well there was 120 years for people to say to Noah what's going on can I join you you know um but they just went about the their business so we've got an arc and then as Noah had been told go and fill it with two of every kind of animal and domestic animals as well and the Bible says that animals came to him can you imagine these (13:46) animals just trotting flying um yeah plodding along and I just think it's amazing I've got so many questions about God's creation and how he did it and all the different species varieties of birds that we have now um but I mean one thing I thought of was that they didn't have to all be the biggest animals like if you're going to take two elephants on a big boat well as long as they're male and female do have to be the the biggest oldest wisest elephants um yeah and we've got the story later in the Bible of Daniel in the Lion's Den where Dan I's in a den there's Lions all around him and God (14:33) closes their mouths we've got Isaiah who talks about Lambs lying down with wolves and eating hay so I don't know what God did how he did it all but I know he's in the details and I I love that and going back to the ver verse in Hebrews it says Noah just by faith he had to trust God he had to trust that God was in the details and just as a small as side I'd like to tell you about a guy that came and talked quite a few years ago actually on this stage behind me here an amazing man called brother Yun um he he loved God and because of that he just couldn't keep quiet about (15:16) it and in his n his native China he was tortured he was kept in solitary confinement prisoned um and eventually he came out he escaped from prison and there's a there's a in book called The Heavenly Man if you want to read more about it and he came and he talked and he gave a message and he talked about when Jesus was on the seashore talking to people and then he spoke to the fisherman and said let's go out and get some fish and they said oh we've we've been fishing for hours and just there's just nothing out there at the moment but you've asked us to so we'll go and I don't know if (15:55) you know the story but they had to call in reinforcements there was so many fish they were just breaking the Nets and this man brother young said of course the Nets were baking because the fish know their Master's Voice they were literally dying to be a part of God's story this is the creator we're talking about in his creation back to Noah so it starts to rain God shuts the ark and creation is now in turmoil and it keeps raining for 40 days if you hark back to the creation story on day two and three God separated the waters and created the earth and the Seas and before his word there was just (16:39) a Darkness on the face of the deep and here in the flood we hear about this deep again but this time this deep is coming up and the rain's coming down the water's coming up and they wiped out everything for fa from the face of the Earth but another butt then chapter 8 verse one God God remembered Noah and this is God's mercy again I don't believe it's um that God had forgotten about him you know go create this Ark 120 years and then forget and forgotten he's just this is now the time for the next the next Act and the next thing that God wants to do so God can create (17:19) again we've had this decreation and just as before when God's spirit hovered over the waters it says God came and he made a wind to pass over the Earth and that word wind it's that same word that's used it's in the Hebrew it's this word roak and it means his lifegiving word his breath and he breathes this new creation so no and his family were on the boat for over 200 days 40 days of rain 150 days of of waiting for that rain to disappear shrubs and trees to grow grain go to show again and this for this this creation to appear and I just want to take another (18:03) little side to talk about this creation of God God's word and his things and his timings you've heard others talk about science and God and I've have no issues without allowing God that that God allows things to grow the Earth to move and different ages but I also believe that God can speak and things happen immediately we hear of Miracles in the Bible of bone straightening of people walking when they've never been able to walk and they they didn't need physio they didn't have to go and see someone like Sharon here (18:40) and learn how to walk again didn't you do physio back occupational therapist a long time ago they it was immediate um there was brain changing there was muscle growing um yeah I I've seen people come to meetings in you know with wheelchair and leave and walk God God loves to do his creative work in us and through us um and and I love science and I found this out when I was just re researching this in 2014 scientists believe that they found existence in the depths of the earth a source of water estimated at (19:22) three times what all the world's water all the world's oceans hold so this this water water is compressed and locked in rock called Ringwood light yeah water in the Deep who' have who'd have thought it John puts it like this he said he was in the beginning with God all things were made through him and without him was not anything that thing made that was made but there is much more to this story in the science this is about God's plan his desire to walk with us the consequences of sin but the Redemption for all of us a new creation So eventually they disembark (20:04) and know and his family make a new start they sacrifice some of those animals yep the ones that they've lived on the ark with that they saved they sacrifice to trust because they know this is our God we can trust in him and just to that he's worthy to be praised and then just to finish up this story there's an amazing statement from God I won't do this again I've done it once I'm going to put in the rainbow in the sky I'm going to put a rainbow and maybe this was the first rainbow maybe not and I don't think God did anything different with refraction and reflect you know all the different (20:46) spectrums but he puts it there so that we can see it and we can say God keeps his promises but there's a reason he won't do it again so when we look over this does something strikey about this story about creation [Music] and someone standing in the Gap well there's yeah I think there's another parallel here and my kids have got a copy of the story book Bible which is a brilliant um uh sort of kids story book Bible but R told and really accessible and the one thing that's in every story is this phrase it says says (21:29) every story Whispers his name the Old Testament Genesis the Psalms all these books of judges and kings and death they're all pointing us to the final answer to the Messiah because on our own we can't be good enough on our own it's just not God's final plan so God instead of wiping out creation again sent his son and his son who was perfect died for all creation so that we can live he was the perfect sacrifice instead of wiping out all creatures so a few could live he sacrificed one so that all of us could (22:09) live and he asks us to have faith and follow him like Noah building the ark getting into that Ark and then we need to do die to our old lives and become that New Creation in Corinthians it says anyone who's in C is in Christ he is a new creation old things things passed away behold all things have become new and Peter tells us about the flood and how it's a sign of that new start it says this in the in the message version you know even though God waited patiently all the days that Noah built his ship only a few were saved then eight to be exact save from the Water by (22:54) the water the Waters of baptism do that for you not by washing away dirt from your skin but by presenting you through Jesus's resurrection before God with a clear conscious God doesn't need to flood the Earth again because he's provided the answer to sin and to evil so we were apart from God but because of his sacrifice we can become New Creations we can allow God's roak his Spirit to blow on us to give us life eternal life so when the world is wanting to walk one way are you and I are we prepared to walk the other way to be like Noah to (23:33) walk with god thank you awesome so oh still hey third screen lucky and Dan's just dropped everything next to me it's all going swimmingly well tonight um was that a pun yeah yeah swimmingly well did you get that yeah lots of water jokes tonight please everyone if if you're watching live um obviously like if you've got questions or thoughts comments um about tonight's talk then do post them in the sort of chat um as we're talking um got Dan and Jan and myself here now and we're going to have a bit of a discussion on it um so yeah do keep posting in your questions and we'll try our best to (24:23) answer them in the next 20 minutes or so but Jan we'll start with you like what were your sort of overriding impressions of that talk what kind of jumped out at you yeah the I mean there's such a lot in there you did it was really good and just a lot of facts um you think you know the story but you know you brought things out that um I maybe hadn't even noticed I I just think um the length of time all the you know the exact detail that God went to the measurements um the wood that you know that was used um the types of animals um just all of that just I think (25:08) it just reminded me of how exact God is or how what's the word I'm looking for um you know detail matters and I I don't consider myself a massive detailed person um I tend to skim through through things but yeah I think detail with God really really matters and it's a sign of his love and his his care that that's the first thing that jumped out Anna yeah yeah that's really good and I think I mean God's obviously a a god of detail isn't he you only have to look at creation and like how many different plants and you know I was out in my (25:56) garden gardening this afternoon and just get that in um everyone's laughing at me only happens once year yeah never to be seen again um but yeah it every time I get in nature it makes me think wow God like he's so extravagant as so many different plants so many different animals so mean every human being is different like such detail and and you're the seasons and everything um yeah just we know we know that night follows day that day follows night we we don't worry about it I don't worry that morning's not going to come cuz we it is yeah I love that sorry I love that God (26:40) said to Noah you know he gave him like these dimensions and stuff to do and in the Bible that's all we've got I don't know if he explained anymore but we know from the Hebrews he just said by faith so he didn't have God had all the details so God always has all the details that's what I love he knows what you're going to feel he knows what's going going to happen we don't always we've got to have that faith we just got to trust him y God you you know everything I need yeah I don't know what that is yeah just go yeah absolutely and (27:13) like I was just looking at some of the um questions that came through on on the group and um one of them is what aspects of the flood story Challenge and comfort you the most and I think you've probably just answered that quite well in terms of comfort Dan but certainly I think what I find really really challenging about this story is just that like Noah was you know God told him something and he really TR it took a lot of trust like I don't know we don't know if it was physically 120 years as we would count it today but (27:45) anyway it was a long period of time he had to build this crazy huge boat which as Dan described very eloquently was not the norm probably hadn't been seen before in you know that kind of age and you know and like and it was just kind of yeah and he did it even though everyone around him was like you're crazy and I it what challenges me about that is like if God asked me to do something that's out of the ordinary that's that's uncomfortable that's quite difficult would I be that um willing yeah and and faithful with it would I start and then just be like oh this is stupid after a couple of years if I'm (28:27) honest so so I I find Noah's faith and trust in God is just astounding absolutely I mean the fact that it was dry land and as as Dan said we don't know if it had ever rained before so to tell his family God's told me instructed me to build this um boat an ark and we're there's going to be a flood and you know and they they're like have you have you seen the weather you know have you it's just absolutely ridiculous and but I think sometimes yeah you could easily forgive Noah for um saying no that's just my you know a bad a bad thought a bad dream or you know and not and not (29:21) taking it seriously first yeah and another question that's just come through that I think is is a really good one actually is um this whole idea that God flooded the Earth and like wiped out most of humanity and started all over again like how do you reconcile that with the fact that we know that God is love and also he's you know yeah done that and it seems quite extreme doesn't it maybe you want to pick that one up Dan because you've done more study on this than us this week it's I was actually talking to my brother yesterday about this he's just (29:58) been he's sort of reading through the he's reading through the Old Testament as well and there's some things in there that are so hard to get your head around because it's it's extreme and it is this outworking of it's like um an outworking of God's justice in sort of in sort of plain sight in physical terms because there's there's battles after this we we'll probably go on to this there's hundreds thousands tens of thousands of people have killed I just I read about 30,000 people falling off a cliff being pushed off a cliff this was (30:42) in another battle um and I can't I can't get my head around that I know I know now that with Jesus dying and his sacrifice that that we don't have to sacrifice you don't have to do physical sacrifices this physicality of it and the the immediate death has gone because he's put his holy spirit within us and we have that life and that eternal life and there are some verses and I can't off the top of my head I can't think of them that do sort of intimate that there may be something that some of those people before Jesus had that chance to to come (31:29) to come to God I don't understand that's way past my my the theological things but I've read some of those vers and thought God I know my God is a god of Mercy but I know from this we can see that him and S sin can't mix can't have the two together um and his Justice is is true and I just have to I have to trust him in that and it's almost like with the whole flood thing that it's like God's almost pressing reset on Humanity isn't it someone's asked the question you know did did all these people really die was it definitely the entire Earth that was flooded and how was the whole earth repopulated again (32:13) just out of like a few families yeah and and I've thought a lot about that and well if we believe that the Earth was populated just with Adam and Eve then exactly there's you know there's six more people yeah this time and yeah uh some people believe that it wasn't the whole earth um I think this archaeologically there's there's lots of evidence of a massive eventful thing some people some scientists might talk about the flood some might talk about a mini Ice Age there definitely was this catastroph catastrophic catastrophic catastrophic event that happened and I just have to (32:55) go with God he said this was evil I've got to start again but there's one man here that is Noah and he's just yeah I love they you said Dan about the fact that Noah was kind of like that reset for Humanity Noah and his family and then the next time that that phrase sort of comes up what was the phrase you used um it was Jesus yeah it's this it's creation said I you know there's a new creation starting and then um the writer of the Hebrews says we will become in Christ a new creation yeah I think that's brilliant is yeah I I love that parallel and the fact that Jesus was like well we're not going to like like (33:42) like I guess God did the reset but then he was like I can't keep wiping out Humanity I don't want to do this again and again and actually he finds another way A Better Way in Jesus and um that really struck me as you were talking as well and I I think you know personally we're all longing now for a reset it feels like it's NE you know it's getting desperate isn't it the world that we live in you just think um you know maybe maybe God's coming back sooner than we than we think and um but when Jesus returns again that will be the the final reset um I think for for eternity won't (34:27) it but it's in in each story um with uh Noah um you know God God used him to save creation really to save Humanity um with Jesus he sent him to save the whole world all of us and then within that time between Jesus first coming and dying and being um raised up to when he comes back again people have opportunity to receive him to you know find him so it's not like he hasn't given us enough time you know and I suppose that that was a thing as well that I took from what Dan said that um Noah was a prophet and he was telling (35:20) people over a long period and whether it was 120 years as we know it now or but it was certainly a long time that it took him to build this and and like he was calling people back to God that whole time so it there is that sense of like God speaks first and then he acts and it's not like we're not given the warning um it's just whether we have ears to hear it or not yeah but I liked what um Sharon posted in in the chat bar actually which is I think sometimes we're upset because God doesn't seem to be seem to be doing anything about evil in the world but then we also get upset (35:57) when he does do something when he does act with Justice and corrects things so it's interesting that isn't it yeah yeah it's a hard one to to get round I'm I I'm glad sometimes God doesn't do things because I've done stuff that means I shouldn't be I shouldn't be here you know you just think thank God you've had Grace for me and we can trust him that he's got Grace for even the even people that we look at and think how you know I've I've done wrong stuff but they've been allowed to do this and it yeah it's hard to to reconcile those (36:39) things I love I loved what you said Dan about you know the this whole story really is about the mercy of God yeah yeah we can look at the um you know the floods and the devastation but actually it's it shows how merciful god is and um I think that really you know comes out and I I I mentioned it in the talk but I like that he he walked with God no walk with God and we don't hear that much even before there was Enoch that walked in the verses that we sort of we skipped we jumped to Noah and he walked with God and then Adam and Eve walked with God (37:20) and he God hadn't written that off hadn't said no you can't come close to me anymore even though there's there's now this sin this thing that you've you've eaten you've you've you've brought this separation between us I still want to talk to you it's amazing amazing I think um obviously we've talked a lot about the big picture stuff tonight um and God dealing with the hle of humanity and flooding the whole world but also just to bring it a bit more down to us as individuals um I think there's like one last question that I just wanted to pick up that came through which is has God ever asked you to do (37:57) something that seemed crazy at the time and if so what was it like do either of you have any examples I'm trying to think I saw that question and then yeah I saw it as well skipped on um probably lot lots of lots of things really um was maybe not as big as you know building an arc but something that's like out of your comfort zone I guess I think there's just in my life in my career I had a I left left school got a good job and um and I did did like uni and stuff like that and then worked for a big company and I had a a safe job it was a well-paid uh final salary pension (38:45) which in the UK that's pretty good and then I just didn't feel that was right for me to keep doing and I left and started my own business so it's still it still work but often I speak to people and they go what what was that what was that like because that's a big thing going from a salary to to no salary and I just knew that God had told me that's that you you're okay making that step and there's been loads of hurdles I've had to do to to continue and to to make that that business work but that step I did have that that piece this is (39:22) okay I can leave I can leave that and move and change yeah what about you Anna um ah I think I think probably I've had a few similar examples actually that have been work related and and and I wonder if that's quite a common area where because of the way that our world is now and we all work don't we and we'll have to pay the mortgage or most of us do and and like earn a living certainly I think that's often an area with our money and our finances and our work that God ask us to step out and I I know there's been a number of times where God's I felt like God was asking me to do something a bit countercultural (40:01) like like a finish uni and I I felt like he asked me to volunteer fulltime for my church for a year rather than just going and get a job like everyone else was doing on my course and at the time it didn't make much Financial sense or you know it certainly didn't make much career sense you want to get out there and get some work experience but then you know I I kind of did that for a couple of years and then when I need needed work God kind of accelerated my career forward almost like and I kind of got promoted Beyond where I should have been so I feel like you know and got opportunities Beyond really what my (40:39) experience should have given me at the time so yeah I think God God has shown himself to be really faithful when I've stepped out like that um and when I've trusted him I don't feel like he's ever let me down or I've been short Changed by doing something that's out of the box for God what about you John yeah I think you're right about um finances and um money tends to be um where we have a lot of fear um and I think looking back um the situations that come to mind for me have have been to do with finances um when I um got offered a place with wwam (41:18) I had to you know you had to raise quite a few quite a lot of money um there've been other things when I've gone on trips um sort of missional trips having to raise the money again you know when I I knew the time Gap I'd never do it but God has always provided um you know so that I had more than enough um which was amazing so yeah I think I think there's something in that with this generation um where we're a bit fearful with money and yeah yeah I guess the thing is that God Is Bigger like he holds all of (42:00) creation so of course he's more than able to ride need ridiculous is well it it's ridiculous but it's also really natural like of course we would worry about those things cuz they matter but also like yeah I've just learned time and time again that god holds it all and he's more than able to kind of provide what I need yes any final thoughts from either of you I'm aware time is tiing on so um no I just we so next week we've got Matt talking about Covenant um and I'm sure we'll mention it but that promise that God did them in the rainbow that's a covenant it's well he'll (42:39) explain it he very good at talking about Covenant yeah yeah we don't really get on to that did we but then we're talking about it next week so tune back in for that one yeah yeah thank thanks guys yeah it was great yeah and just to say we um will be um holding a small group afterwards online so if you want to join us just to for a quick chat and catch up afterwards then there should be a link that comes up in in the chat books if you're in the um if you're on YouTube yeah um and also just to say if you're um if you've got more questions if you (43:15) want to talk further about this um and you can't hang around tonight if you're maybe not watching the live um yeah do email us look us up on the crowd Church website drop us a l always happy to chat pray whatever you want really so yeah do do get in touch with us through the week as well yeah but other than that I think that's goodbye from us yeah take care guys see you next week bye byebye bye [Music] [Music]