39: Finding God's Goodness In Every Situation

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Church they would love to connect with you and now let's meet your host and our special guest for today well hello there and welcome to what's the story I'm Anna Kettle I'm your host for today's session and I'm joined in conversation here today with Jenny calra now Jenny is mon three children the youngest of him has complex medical issues um but through this walking through this journey she's learned that God is good in all circumstances and that he can bring good out of all situations which is pretty awesome now journy is married to Pete and is part of the leadership team at Freedom Church in Liverpool she also heads up someone cares which is a church-based project supporting chapel and sea services at oldy Children's Hospital here in Liverpool Jenny is also physiotherapist she teaches Pilates and she works with women who will postpartum after baby loss through her initiative called the pble project and I'm sure she'll tell us all about that stuff in a minute but also one extra thing I should add is that me and Jenny are virtually neighbors we live around the corner from each other and have done for quite a number of years now so yeah even though we're remote today we're actually in very qu Close Quarters to each other aren't we just yeah we are like a couple of streets away from each other so nice to see you welcome to what's the story you thank you great to have you here today so I suppose we want to dive into your story today but I suppose we should stop at the beginning shouldn't we really in terms of can you take us right back to the beginning of your first Faith Journey first and just tell us a little bit about how you became a Christian kind of you know what your journey to Faith in in early life looked like yeah sure so I consider myself very privileged to have grown up in a Christian household with parents who both had a strong faith um they actually worked with tier fund out in Nepal my dad's a doctor so that was my kind of formative years were spent out there I'd say that I became a Christian for myself as a teenager um but it's probably as we as we come into adulthood it's it's really the time where our faith really has to solidify doesn't it and I think um we've been through circumstances in adulthood that have kind of really kind of um led me to a place of understanding my faith fully and have really tested my faith at the same time so yeah that's my journey yeah that's that's amazing there's a lot in there I I didn't realize that was your background in terms of um you know your parents and working with t and stuff like that so that that's really interesting but yeah I think you're so you're so right that um I think even when you've grown up as chist Christian your whole life like I have too there's there are seasons where that really gets tested and either you grow in your faith or you think this doesn't work for me anymore and so yeah I'm really interested to hear a bit more about your story around that and yeah um it's such an interesting point like could you tell us perhaps a little bit more about one of those challenges and that you faced in life where that's really been the testing and that's been the case yeah sure so probably laterally um our journey with our youngest you mentioned that our youngest has had quite complex health issues um and that's been a real time for us as a family um to have to draw close to God and we've learned a lot through that um our son is called Matthew which means gift from God and he he in himself is a real gift from God he's he's completed our family and he's a real a real character and a real firecracker so he is a gift from God but actually what we've learned about God um through parenting Matthew has been just as much of a gift actually and those things that we've learned have come through real hard and challenging times um so Matthew was he's he's got quite a lot going on he's thriving he's doing really well but he was born with um firstly it's a condition called cranos sinosis which is when the skull fuses prematurely um he had his first surgery when he was 16 weeks old he had skull reconstruction older hay and for a lot of kids with this condition that's the end of the story they monitor them but no further issues develop but that wasn't the case with Matthew um we ended up with all sorts going on he um the most significant of which is that he became um tube fed at the age of two having developed an unsafe swallow um so it's been a difficult Journey with a lot of challenges and through that we really have had to learn how to um just give the situation to God and trust him continually with what's been going on with him so yeah yeah and I think I think as a parent just God with with heads is like one of the most difficult things right it's yeah it's not something that I think comes easily to many of us mothers um yeah yeah tough tough lesson that yep yeah it has been um yeah it has been hard and I think um one of the things that's made it extra hard with Matthew is that we don't actually have a diagnosis for any of the things that have been going on with him so he's had a lot of Investigations over the years looking for this that and the other that we've had to hold very lightly um and also not having a diagnosis just means that we've had to further trust God um with what's been going on and what the future holds as well so we have really leared to um hand things over to him to pray rather than Google um and but like I said actually it's been a really a really special Journey with a lot of lessons learned and has really solidified our faith I think it's quite often when you go through difficult times the the truth that's been written on your heart about God actually then ENT enters your heart fully when your heart's broken by circumstance it's it's often then at those times in life that those truths actually fall right into your heart doesn't it and I think a lot of my head knowledge about God has really become heart knowledge through the the journey that we've had through parenting Matthew um which would I would consider a real positive actually of all the things that we've been through as a family yeah yeah that's really good I love that analogy of like actually it's when it's in the breaking almost but yeah that like allows you to be broken open and like for God to enter right inside rather than just be like on the surface yeah yeah that's I had never thought of that before and I think that's a really beautiful picture sometimes of what our Brokenness does or yeah what sometimes those cracks of pain do in our lives so yeah I love that that's really cool and I think um you know it's so relatable because I think whether it's you know serious complex needs or something else with our children I think all of us as parents can look at High where perhaps you know we've had to L to hold you know hold our children lightly before God in different ways and trust trust God with them and so like it's that thing of remembering that our children are are Gods ultimately and that he has them and then you know they're given to us aren't they to like kind of Steward as it were but but they're not really our yeah absolutely I think that's a lesson that we learned um in a really big way when I for me personally it was when Matthew was about two there there was one particular time where we were going through a lot of Investigations which um if he'd been diagnosed with the things they were testing him for then um things would have gotten quite quite serious they were really kind of Life limiting and degenerative conditions that the hospital was considering at the time so we were carrying all of that you know what does the future hold what's it going to look like what direction is this going and I remember we I went for coffee with a friend and her six- week old baby um and Matthew was to and he wanted to hold the baby um and so we sat him on the floor and we put the tiny baby in his lap very carefully and it lasted about 30 seconds and then the baby started fossing and needed to go back to his mom and in that moment my two-year-old son decided no thanks I don't want to give the baby back he just hung on really tight and it all got a little bit tense um and we were like prizing this tiny fragile baby out of my cross two-year-old's arms and I think I just reflected on that afterwards and it really really God really spoke to me through that um and as the adults in that situation we knew that the baby um always belonged to the mom that the mom was the only one who could give the baby what he needed um Matthew couldn't give the baby what he needed and actually giving the baby a cuddle was a gift and a privilege for Matthew but only for a short period of time there there had never been the expectation that that would last forever the baby would always have to go back to his mom who could provide what he needed and I think actually in that moment I really kind of learned about how we need to parent our children and Steward our children and all the other good things that God gives us as well um and I decided in that moment reflecting on that that I wanted to parent my children that way um and to walk our journey with Matthew in that way holding on him on an open hand um recognizing that he was God's child that only God could give him what he wanted and actually I had the absolute privilege of loving and caring for and stewarding Matthew for a short period of time um but he wasn't my child and it wasn't my place to hang on to him um with a tight Fist and claim him as my own um as and as the person who could meet his needs because we're not we're our children and all good things in our lives belong to God um and we need to be willing to part of that is being willing to give them back as well isn't it and acknowledge that they are better off with their Heavenly Father than they are with us and it's a gift and a privilege for us to get to enjoy them for a short season but they're not actually ours um and that was a really important lesson to learn at that time and it did come out of really difficult circumstances that we were walking with Matthew and praise God he wasn't diagnosed with any of those horrendous conditions um that would have taken things down a very different path but because he doesn't have a diagnosis we've walked that Journey for quite a few years of not knowing um and that was a really helpful and valuable lesson that God taught me in that moment that really kind of helped us through so it's again one of the things that we've really learned about God that I really value and appreciate and that will stick with us um for life really so think so true just it's so easy to want to try and fix it all isn't it and you know as as you talked about not having a diagnosis without a diagnosis there can't be a cure or a fix a medical solution can there and and so it is very much that trusting God with the next step with the next step with the next step and although that's really a lot harder to deal with as a parent and you know obviously love Matthew and you know that's really tough to watch him kind of suffering in an ongoing way but I think at the same time you articulate that really well that actually that kind of causes you to um have to keep trus in God yeah because you can't just find your own Solutions you can't provide everything Matthew needs and you sort of have to say God is your child trust you with his feature and with his health and with with all these things and yeah that that's just really powerful and you know to learn out in such a difficult circumstances you know you can really see there's just a a short about about you in that now and yeah yes you can really see that God's done that which is amazing and it does it it kind of spills over into other aspects of life doesn't it but I would say that it is an ongoing struggle I do have a tendency to Google um in a yeah but it is so it is like something I have to go back to repeatedly you know I need to pray about this um I need to trust God for the solutions um but because it's been an ongoing Journey it's a journey that God's been really faithful in that um he has developed a lot of depth in my relationship with him as a result of those experiences which doe value and I can see the good of that now I think one thing we've really learned through parenting Matthew is that good can come out of God brings good out of all situations and can bring good out of all circumstances um and we've had the opportunity to see that in in reality which has been that that's um kind of brings me on to my next question actually because you you guys I mean yeah you've been through some really hard stuff but like I think even in your bio you mentioned like that this part of your journey is about l that God is good and can bring good through all things and just that there that real confidence in that in your life and I know that this whole journey that you've been on with Matthew has been one area that you've you've seen God do some really amazing stuff haven't you and you've really seen him move through through Matthew's Liv and um you know and and yeah can you tell us a bit more about that like how how has God brought good out of the situation because a lot of people listening would be like what's good about having a child who's really been through lot of medical problems yeah sure so I think in our personal lives like I said it's really solidified our faith um one of the truths that's been dropped into our hearts is the fact that God is good um I think quite early on in our journey we realized that we were praising God because he's God but we'd lost sight of his goodness um and actually being in that position really made me learn that in my heart as well as my head I'd known it in my head I was quite cross at myself and not realizing not knowing it in my heart when I actually came down to it um but now having walked that I can and worked through that I can hand on heart 100% say that God is good regardless of the circumstances I've experienced that personally and that truth is really really strongly solidified in my heart so that's one good that's come out of it on a personal level but then the other thing that happened um which has just been incredible and a real privilege to be part of is that during one one admission about seven years ago um we were in a bay with a few other families and one of the moms in the bay um at one point she she had a phone out and she asked the room she said does anyone have the details for a fortune teller um and as we know in Liverpool that's quite common isn't it to turn to fortune tellers and spiritualists and mediums and things and so the other moms got their phones out as well and they were all swapping numbers and looking for availability and trying to book appointments and essentially what they were doing was looking for answers and really difficult situations you know they had sick kids in hospital a lot of uncertainty and they were reaching out to the spiritual for those answers about the future and what was coming next um and in that moment it just hit me really hard that actually what's needed in those situations isn't the fortune teller is it it's is God and His presence and his love um and I remember praying in the bay that day in hospital with little Matthew on my lap I remember you know praying to God God wouldn't it be amazing if we could bring you and your presence um and your answers to these situations into older hay but I'm a physio as well and I've worked in clinical settings and some people who I know are really good at sharing their faith very naturally within their work environments and within clinical settings but it's not easy is it like you know having been a physio in the past um there were situations where I would have loved to talk to patients about about God but actually it's when you're there as a Physio and a secular a clinical setting it's not considered your place to do that is there and there's actually big repercussions for that if you cross that line in some circumstances the two that don't really mix like it almost feels like oil and water mixing faith and clinical or it it certainly did when I was working on the woods and so I dismissed it fairly quickly um and yet after the admission I went and spoke to the chaplain got to know them and just kind of said you know is there any scope for um maybe supporting the work you do and things and um what basically came from those conversations was our church Freedom Church now runs um a Social Action Project called someone cares into Al and we support the work of the chaplain there um who are a couple of great guys in the work that they do and we we started with providing practical support in the care of form of like toiletry care packs and PJs which were handed out in a& with kind of um contact cards in them for the spiritual care team so that people could be referred on to the support available at the point of admission um but what came quite soon after that was a request for volunteers so we now have a team of volunteers from the church who go in and volunteer at older all fully fledged registered alery volunteers but placed with the spiritual care team and we go on to the wards and we just offer Family Support a listening ear um someone to talk to but also have the opportunity to say would you like us to pray for your situation and what's incredible is that nine out of time nine out of 10 times I would say that families say Yes um yeah obviously it's not something that everybody wants but as those moms showed in the bay when I was there with Matthew I think actually when you're in that situation even if you don't have a faith it's when the big that's when the big questions come to mind isn't it that's when you kind of stopped in your tracks and faced with well you know what what else is there what you know what is going on um and people do turn to the spiritual in those situations and are actually very open and very keen to have prayer and to bring God into those um hospital rooms and into those situations and so it's been an incredible journey and an absolute privilege and I still feel mind blown like my mind is blown by the fact that we have swipe access we have cards that swipe us into all the different areas of older hay um and we've had the opportunity to support and build relationships with families and not all of those turn into Faith conversations and that's absolutely okay um we're just showing God's love um to to families and and to individuals um and also to staff as well and yeah it has it's been a really amazing example of how God can turn all circumstances to good and also how he uses our own experiences doesn't he yeah that's right because that's part of the reason that gives you access you know and that presume people want to open up to you is because you know you've been in those shoes too you've walked in those sheets haven't you and you know what it's like to have a a kid in old hay that you're really worried about he's going through various procedures and different difficult things so yeah I guess that kind of there's a there's a like kind of understanding there as well isn't there that you know how that feels but but I also just think it's amazing isn't it that those doors have opened and it's it's not it strikes me that it's not that you know it's not that God you know has in endered that thing for Matthew in order to bring this about but it's it's like God has used and redeemed that situation in some way to bring good even out of something that's really tough for your family and Matthew um you know it kind of reminds me of that verse from Romans 8:28 is it where it talks about how God will work all things for the good of those who love him yes absolutely it's not that like life will always go well or the way you want it to that that's not what it means but it is that God is able to use even the difficult things in our lives to he brings good and Glory even out of those things and yeah just I love that because you know what you're doing with the small cares project is just such a great example of that in like you know in your real life and in your family and your church and I mean how long have you guys been doing this now I think it started in about 2018 um but we had a really big big break over coid obviously because we weren't allowed into the hospitals or even to provide anything into the hospitals for quite a long time um but in that time we've had we've had contact with so many families and have so many stories of walking alongside them and also seeing God answer prayer as well yeah um it's not um it's not a Healing Ministry it's not an evangelism Ministry it is purely a showing God's love Ministry um but we ask you know we ask people is there anything you want prayer for and people offer things usually very specific things that they want prayer for and then we have the opportunity to pray for those and then to see um answers to prayer and to see them experience God as a real loving God he cares about their situation and wants to go alongside him and it's just really it's been really amazing and precious to see families experience God for the first time during what is also um probably the worst time of their lives yeah and to be a to bring yeah uhhuh it's it's incredible that you're that you're you know you're actually seeing because you've seen quite number of answers to prayer haven't you quite specific stuff like through that Ministry and I I just think that's you know it's kind of mindblowing and I mean to be honest it's an area that I'm interested in learning a little bit more about so you know because you've also as a family you've seen some healings along the way with Matthew as well haven't you as well as other families that you're working with at all through the project um could I mean have you got any examples you could sort of share with us of God has intervened and you have answers to prayer yeah sure so um for us with Matthew I mean there's really small specific things that we've prayed for and seen answers to such as um normalized blood test results or prayed for a normal chest x-ray and have then seen a normal chest XR um so we find that God's really faithful with those specifics when we pray um probably a bigger a bigger story of healing for us is um one thing that Matthew developed after his first surgery was something called a kiari malformation um and it's when the back part of the brain is pushed down into the spinal column so out the hole at the base of the skull and into the spinal column usually by pressure below um within the skull and it's associated with all sorts of nasty symptoms and the surgery for it is quite complicated because it can cause a lot of issues the surgery itself can cause a lot of longterm issues um and there was so we knew that he had this diagnosis and we were he'd had had an MRI and we were waiting for an appointment to see a neurosurgeon again another review appointment um and one evening we started getting messages from random people not random people people we knew but who weren't linked there was no link between them quite a few messages saying I just want to let you know I felt really prompted to pray for Matthew that God would heal him with his kiari malformation um like that's bit that's wonderful but a bit odd that we've had three different messages from three different people who don't know each other all saying the same thing turns out that they were all at the naturally Supernatural conference and there had been a seminar that evening on healing and the person who was leading the seminar was somebody who had had a child with born with a kiari malformation W um who very sadly had passed away as a result of it and they were doing a seminar about healing and about how God answers prayer but you know sometimes we don't see healing sometimes it doesn't answer our prayers and what do we do in those circumstances um and all these people have been prompted to pray for Matthew so we then went along to our appointment with a neurosurgeon and um he got the scans up and Matthew no longer had a kiari malformation it was gone wow and he said ha this is not the conversation I was expecting to have he said I've not really ever seen this happen before this isn't really something that we see um so we went from a situation of being worried about whether it had progressed or what surgery he was going to need or whether it could be surgically corrected or not to leaving the Room 5 minutes later because he no longer had a kiari mation and we didn't need to be there so that was obviously a just you know a it was just an absolute joy to to see God heal them it's a real it's a real Miracle isn't it because ABS that don't just disappear on their own and you know normally it's quite invasive like yeah you know when w it isn't it quite risk attached to that as well itself yeah so yeah just amazing miracle that isn't it and really building yeah yeah yeah absolutely and then yeah you're kind of so you're holding kind of stories like that which are just amazing and you've seen God intervene in such a real way and he spoke to you beforehand as the family and told you that's what you wanted to do and then he did um yeah and yet on the other hand you're holding kind of still holding your story in terms of like Matthew hasn't had full healing he's not you know he's still got health problems so you on the one hand you've seen Miracles and you know God is able to heal and you've seen heal your son and yet you're not living in the fullness of that healing yet either and I just wonder how you hold those two things simultaneously in tension I think one thing that we've really learned over the last few years is to live life from a Heavenly perspective we know 100% that God will completely heal Matthew but it won't necessarily be on this side of Eternity um and I think we know that he will will be 100% healed when he when he reaches heaven and we always have that Eternal hope don't we and that promise of complete healing um and so one thing that it's taught us is to live with a Heavenly perspective here on Earth which makes everything a lot less scary to be honest I can't imagine going through this experience from an Earthly perspective um a Heavenly perspective is a lot a lot easier and a lot a lot less scary um but I think the other thing is that actually one thing is that we know that God is capable of instant healing um but I think if he had instantly healed Matthew we would have had this amazing moment and this amazing sense of Praise afterwards but it probably would have then um subsided quite quickly as we got on with life and I would say that the process that we've had of slow and gradual healing um and also incomplete complete healing is actually taught us so much more about God's character and actually deepened our faith to such a greater extent and deepened Matthew's Faith as well it's led to Matthew having a lot of um like Faith but also character traits as well that I would attribute to that process um and I think actually I'm really grateful for the journey that we've been on and everything that we've learned about God um and the way that it's developed our faith and I think God's in it in the long game like this this time on Earth it's it feels so long to us but it's only the blink of an eye isn't it or the snap of your fingers um and then we have eternity which lasts forever with spent with him so even though these things feel really hard and really long at the moment and like real trials and hardships actually in God's eyes they're just the blink of an eyeon I think he's in the long game with us isn't he and he has an eternal hope for us um and it's actually in the incomplete healing that we've learned more about God's character um and his love for us I think and also more good has come out of because again if if Matthew had been healed instantly um when we first prayed someone cares would have never happened might have happened through somebody else but it wouldn't have been part of our story um and having that empathy for other families at older hay and the opportunity to pray for all those families wouldn't have been part of our story so I can see purpose in the in complete healing as well even though I know that he's a God he loves to heal and I know that he will heal completely um but I'm quite happy for that to be in his timing even if it's on the heavenly side of Eternity it's probably the point that we've reached yeah that was so helpful I think so great to you talk about that sort of heavenly perspective and how incomplete healing actually has a purpose as well in the interim um I I just I love your perspective on that because I think times in faith sort of circles it can be like oh if God doesn't do it the way we think straight away or it's not complete or it's not you know a quick answer to prayer you know we live in a such a fast food culture don't we where we want everything now now now and we kind of pray like that sometimes as well so like and then if it doesn't work we it's easy to come very disappointed or very kind of like oh well maybe I haven't gotten a faith or maybe I'm not praying right or I'm doing something wrong you know but there's all these kind of things that we can decipher from that but actually what you're saying is I think you know one I know that healing will be complete and so I have a piece about even being still in the middle of the journey because I've got that Heavenly perspective and then there's also this kind of an in the middle I'm so grateful that God's working and that we're seeing him do stuff and actually it's changing me it's changing my community around me it's changing my son and you know so in some ways it's sort of when you describe it like that it's almost like a win-win rather than a like oh well we've been a bit you know that feeling of been a bit short Changed by God you know which is how some people can kind of interpret that yeah and I just love your perspective on it I think that's really beautiful and it's obvious that God you know has has like really given you guys a heart for other families that are broken and hurting you know through what you're doing with with someone cares project as well so yeah it's just beautiful Jenny yeah absolutely and I think the other thing about it is the to recognize that when we're in that place um God he he walks it with us as well um and he does kind of give us what we need I remember one time we went for a blood test for Matthew and he's absolutely terrified in Needles as a result of being in hospital so long and um my friend came with us as well and there was three of us trying to hold him still and one nurse trying to do the blood test I think it was about four um and he was like lashing out and kicking and shouting and Ki like punching and and everything and then I don't it was frustrating afterward we were like we should have done that earlier because I I said to him do you want me to pray and he said yes um and I just prayed holding him I just prayed into his ear I prayed dear God please give Matthew your peace and it was just he instantly went floppy in my arms um lay completely still completely peaceful completely relaxed and they took the blood test and then we left and it was just that kind of it was kind of like one of those moments of we really should have prayed that 30 minutes ago why did we wait so long um but also it was a real confirmation to us and also to Matthew that God Is With Us in those situations in the hard situations and we can pray um for him to to be there and to give us what we need and he did he gave Matthew a real Supernatural peace we kind of call it like a a cloak of peace or a cape of peace in our house um wrapped him in his cape of peace and yeah and it's and it's a story that Matthew remembers you know over a time that he's really experienced God and again something to hang on to so yeah even though incomplete healing can bring positives it's it's hard as well isn't it but I think it's important to also recognize that God walks that with us it's not that he just leaves us Inc completely healed until we get to heaven he's in that Journey with us every step of the way as well yeah so yeah and I suppose really when you think about it that is the cook of Faith isn't it that yeah God's answer to a broken world was to send Jesus who would walk with us and be one of us and go through what we went through and you know kind of walk in our shoes and you know and and that was that was part of the answer that God gave so and as you know in many ways like you say is still offerings today it's I won't take it all away it will fix it all instantly for you but I will be with you through it all and walk every step with you yeah yeah yeah and he knows what he he knows what we've been through because he's been through it as well hasn't he he's experienced suffering so yeah yeah that's it so good so I wonder because I mean obviously we' we've covered a lot of different ground there but I wonder if you could kind of sum it all up in one thing I mean what's been kind of your one big takeaway lesson about life or faith up to this point I know you know there's still lots of journey ahead but up to this point you know what's what's that one big takeaway message that you would you feel like God's shown you and you would kind of offer to other people as advice sure I think it would be that God is good know that God is good in all circumstances and that he walks through circumstances with you and live life from a Heavenly perspective with the Eternal hope that we have um and that that will make everything else in life a lot less scary yeah yeah that's great advice I think that's yeah yeah there's not much you can add to that is there I think God is good and I think if that underpins your life it changes your perspective on everything doesn't it really absolutely yeah yeah and um I obviously we could talk and talk about this but we're rapidly running out of time and it but it would be really good kind of if people are interested in someone cares or um just learning a bit more about your journey or maybe they connect on a personal level yeah you know because they've got health issues and their family too is there a way that people can connect with you contact you find out more about the project just tell us a bit more about that yeah sure you um you can contact UM someone cares through the Church website or through the we've got an Instagram page as well and a Facebook page so you could maybe add those details and a wi we'll put those on the show notes the podcast yeah um and even if you just put if it's if it's a personal connection that you'd like with me you can just pop on there that that's what it's for and then it can be passed on to me and I'll contact you back um yeah but probably through someone cares yeah and that's that's freedom freom churchur freedom so yeah we'll put we'll put all those details on the show notes spakes um when you're playing it back but also it's it's just worth noting as well isn't it that the project isn't just unique to Li now but it's actually starting to be replicated elsewhere in the country could you just quickly tell us a little bit more about that in case anyone's interested as well yeah absolutely absolutely so we've just managed to gain ourselves a place on the incubator program run by the cinamon network uh which is an organization that helps churches to grow and replicate social action projects um so as part of that really we would love to see there's over 1,000 hospitals in the UK and we've seen someone cares to be so effective at old hay that we would just love to see other local churches run so someone cares projects into their local hospitals yeah um it's really special in that it's not just volunteers we actually provide the skill set and the resources of the whole congregation to the chaplain at Alder he it's something that the whole church can get behind um so we think it's a really kind of special and effective model that can be easily replicated by other local churches into their local communities um to love and to serve people who are in hospital so um yeah if any if anybody is um kind of sparked by that and excited by that um then do pray about it and do get in touch with us to talk about whether it's something that your local church would like to maybe look at doing in your area that would be great bab yeah I think that's yeah brilliant uh just great opportunity if anyone's interested anyone listening or knows anyone who's looking at doing something similar great great way to connect and just learn from what you guys have already done all day so yeah thanks for sharing that Jenny it's just awesome I love what you guys are doing and you know love you've got to Shared today thank you listen thank you so much for coming along and uh sharing a little bit about your own story and about what you're doing with someone cares um with us today it's just been uh really special and really good to hear really encouraging I think it's encouraging for anyone who's perhaps in the middle of of not just health issues but any kind of unanswered prayer or partially answered prayer it's just encouraging to hear your perspective so thank you for being here today and sharing that no my pleasure it's been great thank you great well guys that brings us to the end of another episode of what's the story thanks for being here today and we'll see you again really soon and just like that we've reached the end of another fascinating conversation remember to check out crowd online church at www. crow. church don't forget to subscribe to what's the story on your favorite podcast app we've got a treasure Trove of inspiring stories coming your 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